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No big house? No.

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No. That is a point that I never
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at this moment,
but I thought about being able to work as an

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actor, being successful at my work.

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That's important to me.
I trained for a long time

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to do that. That's why I trained.

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I don't need much at this moment.
All of my energy goes into my work, because if

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my work isn't good,
then that's what I have to sell.

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Those are my wares.

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So I own a car and a stereo and records.
I own an Audi.

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I have a stereo that I keep upgrading
because I love music. It also

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helps me in my work.

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You're not into the house and
the pool and that sort of thing?

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No. When I get myself together, when I
take responsibility for my actions, and I

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have a family, and then I will be able
to have a family, I will get a house.

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But more important to me is,
at this moment, I don't need a house.

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A place that I live in is very perfunctory.

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It's a place where I sleep,
but this is where I am alive, or where I work.

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That's where the money is incidental.

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The money is incidental except
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three things that make me very secure.

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Having money in two banks, my laundry just
freshly cleaned, so I have to stuff it

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into the drawer and work it.

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Well, you say you do your own work.

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Yeah, I do.

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No, you don't really.

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Yeah, sure I do.

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Why do you? You could have that sent out.

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Yeah, I know, but why?

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It's no fun.

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If I start thinking that I am more than I am,
if I start living a charmed life,

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then you take that for granted.

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I do not take for granted that
for the next 20 years I will be

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as successful as I am at this moment.

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If that happens, that's great.

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But I don't take that for granted.

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And I really believe that a lot of people
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stars for the wrong reasons, or they go
for becoming the star, because they get

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invited to a party,
or they get to live the jet-set life.

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That is not what is real.

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And it's also not fun for me.

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I have ladies that I date,
and I have a good time.

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But that is not what is...

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What about a name you say that people in
Hollywood strive for different things?

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Aren't they also striving to stardom?

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Sure, but the thing is that I have
a theory that stardom replaces

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the homework they never did on themselves.

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That it fills up the gaps
in their personalities.

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I found that when I went on the road the
first year, I said to myself, okay, now

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I'm going out and I don't
know what's going to happen.

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And what happened was the
reaction was phenomenal.

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I mean, I stood in front of 25,000,
70,000 people yelling my name.

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That's a trip.
That will blow you right out of the stadium.

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What were they yelling?

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Your name.

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My name is Henry Winkler.

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I mean, no, but I mean, what were they yelling?

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Winkler, Henry, or Fonzie?

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Henry, Mr. Winkler, Fonzie, whatever.

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You know, it's just incredible.

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Or just indistinguishable screams,
you know, indistinguishable screams.

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And the thing is that I said to myself,
well, okay, now I cannot

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start to think that I'm more than I am.

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But what happened was, no matter how you
try to fight it, it starts to get in

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there until you can get it under control.

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I started to get inflated.

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And that is not what's real.

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That is not the point of it.

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Because if that happens, if I start to
get that cocky, if I start to think, hey,

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I am as cool as everybody thinks I am,
then everything suffers.

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I will suffer because I've moved
myself to an inappropriate

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place, an unrealistic place.

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My work will suffer because I
think that I can just glide by.

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And what I am interested in is
never being slick, you know?

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And that is really what is important to me.

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Now, in this show, they've built up
your role considerably in this thing.

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I was just wondering,
how do you and Ron get along?

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I mean, obviously,
you're starting to move into a...

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I'll tell you,
without sounding saccharine, Ron Howard

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is a very good friend of mine.

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I have respect for him and
he has respect for me.

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He looks like a loaf of Wonder Bread.

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He looks like an all-American white bread.

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And he really isn't.

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He has a fabulous imagination.

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He has great ambition.

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He wants to be a film director.

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And he will now get his chance.

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He's working in that area.

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He's going to start directing his own films.

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When we do scenes together,
we do them in one take.

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You know, we have a simpatico,
which is unparalleled.

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And the whole place is an ensemble.

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We have seven actors and Jerry Parris,
our director.

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And Gary Marshall tilts his head and
45 jokes fall off the top of it.

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And we create a half an hour comedy.

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I understand all that, Henry.

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What do they call you? Henry a hank?

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Henry. No, Hank. I don't like Hank.

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But still, what has happened?

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There's been a change from last year in this.

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Yes, there is a change.

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You have moved up.

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All right, I will tell you what.

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When the producers came to me and said that,
to me and Ronnie, they said, we have

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moved Henry up to Starbilling.

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Ron, he gave me a hug and a handshake.

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And then we went back and did the scene.

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When they said Starbilling,
are the credits different?

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Yes, the credits are much different.

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What do they say now?

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I started off on this show on a card
at the end of the show featuring Henry

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Winkler, Sponsey and Donny Mose as Ralph Malff.

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I then moved to co-starring last year.

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They moved me up before the show started.

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And now this year I am a
full-fledged star of the show.

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It's starring Ron Howard and Henry Winkler.

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Nice.

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Yes.

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And it is my pleasure to
share the credit with Ronnie.

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That's great.

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And I guess there's been an increase in money?

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Also, yes.

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I've had an increase in
money and that's also nice.

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Well,
now this show seems to be doing very well now.

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Yeah, every week it's growing, you know.

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I just had lunch with Gary and
he's shown me some of the ratings.

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And it's possible this show could
go on for three, four more years.

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Well, my contract is five years.

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I have been offered several other series.

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I've been offered my own
series at least four times.

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I've been offered a spin-off as Sponsey.

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I've been offered a spin-off as Sponsey
15 years later with a wife and a kid.

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I've been offered Serpico and I've
been offered Lords of Flatbush.

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I trained for nine years as an actor.

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If I do Sponsey as a spin-off,
I will do Sponsey maybe, let's say, all told, I

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will have done him for six or seven years.

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When the show is over,
when finally the series is done,

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I will have made a lot of money.

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The producers will have made a lot of money.

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And I will open a car dealership
because I will be so identified.

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Okay.

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I am young and I have no responsibilities
at this moment except to myself.

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And that is not what I trained to do.

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My next area is feature films.

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I would like to see if I can do it in
feature films, if I have the energy

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to fill the big screen.

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Right now, this is what...
is this the third year?

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This is the third year.

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So you have two more years
to go on your contract.

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And so what you're saying is
that at the end of five...

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At the end of five,
then I would like it to be finished.

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You're through with this show no matter what.

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I would like to be finished.

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I don't know.

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I mean, I couldn't tell you
because that's two years from now.

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But in my mind at this moment,
I would like to be finished.

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Any chance that you would break the contract?

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I don't think so because when I was at Yale,
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Cliff Robertson saw me do a play.

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He called me up from Hollywood and he said,
I want you to get on a plane the next

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day and come out and do a movie.

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That's cool. And do a movie.

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And I said, I thought for a day and I said,
I'm sorry, I cannot make it.

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I have an obligation here.

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I finished out my contract at Yale
and it didn't hurt my career.

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I don't believe in breaking contracts
unless it is totally necessary.

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And the thing is that before I

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did Fonzie, I was anonymous.

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And I was an actor working like everybody else.

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This show has changed my life.

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All of a sudden,
I'm not too good to do this show.

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Do you know what I mean?

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I understand. Your ego hasn't.

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I guess we have to do something.

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Well, we're going to do a scene now
with the cameras in here again.

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Yeah. So I better get out.

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Oh, yeah. But everybody's running around.

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We'll talk to the last minute.

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So that doesn't preclude your
doing features in your hiatus?

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No. In the hiatus,
I have a chance to do them if I get them.

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Well, what are you offered to do?

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Well, I just had a meeting with Mike
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film that was written by Mike Nichols.

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Were you Bogart's left?

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Yes, right. Now, what happened was that
James Kahn, what happened was that James

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Kahn was set to do the film.

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So I mean, I'm not even in that category yet.

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Well, Robert,
you were supposed to play Robert DeNiro's part?

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Well, I went up for it. Yes.

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But the thing is that they wanted a big name,
which I am not yet.

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So I don't take that for granted,
but at least I was being considered for it.

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Well,
now that the Robert DeNiro thing is out, what

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happens now? Is yours thing revised?

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I mean, do you have a shot at it?

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I don't think so. James Kahn will do it.

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You think so?

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Oh, yeah. I think so.

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Gary just signaled me.

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[...] you know, I said she dated you.

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Yes, I tell you.

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May I still look at the guy you were in?
She said, you're the same off-screen as

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you are on, which can't be,
because you're totally different.

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And I read, you know, Anne Guarino did
a piece on you for the news, remember?

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Yes, you are.

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And that was the whole thing,
that you're so different.

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Yes, right.

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But yet Cindy thinks you're the same, huh?

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Well, I think she was doing that tongue-in

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-cheek,
because she came up and told me about that.

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So she was just trying to
have a little fun there.

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Well, what does she mean that you're different,
which way? I mean, you're the

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same. Do you feel you are different?

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Oh, I'm sure I am. I mean, my home thought
process is different from this man.

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The way I live my life is
different from this man.

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How did you get into this?
Did you pattern your character up, anyone?

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No, not really. I, well, see,
now I went to a private high school in

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New York, McBurney School for Boys.

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Being cool was knowing you're Dostoevsky.
We brought

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blue blazers and gray slacks.

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I really never knew anybody like this.

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A little bit, I patterned it after Sly
Stallone, who was Sylvester Stallone, who

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was an actor in The Lords of Flatbush.

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I did the movie with him, and in the
beginning I thought I took, I tried to put

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myself in his imagination, because I
really had a good time watching him create

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his part of Stanley in The Lords of Flatbush.

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And then after that, finally...

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It came before this role?

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Yes, it came a year before this role.
But they had not seen the film, nor did

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they hear about the film
here before I got this.

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And so a little bit there,
but mostly I'm trained to use my

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imagination, what is it like?

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And when I was growing up, there were all
those gang wars going on in New York.

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So I tried to, you know,
to associate what would it be, what would

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I do in that situation?

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And I also had long talks with the producer
that if I did this series, if I said

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yes, I would play this character,
I would play him other than the stereotype,

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because no matter how cool a man is,
he is still a man and still a human being,

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there are other things that go on with him.

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And that's what acting is, acting is
illuminating life that you see all the time,

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but that you take for granted sometimes.

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You were born from pretty well...

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From a middle class Jewish family in New York,
yeah?

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Well, I mean, it's better than middle

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class, when you went to private schools, yeah.

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Well, the thing is that also, you know,
my father worked very hard because he

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believed, he's from Europe,
and so he believed in education, he believed

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in a Spartan mind, a Spartan body.

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So whether, you know,
so he worked very hard to give

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us, my sister and I, a very good life.

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What did your father do? Is he still alive?

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Yes, he is in the lumber business.
He imports and exports lumber from all

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over the world, you know.

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But the middle man, you know, it's...

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And he's still middle class,
you say, or middle income?

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And where did you live in New York?

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In West Side, West Side.
I'd rather not say that.

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Oh, I see.
His name, I mean, he still lives there.

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I see. And it was an apartment.

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Yes, I lived in an apartment in Wales.
A nice apartment in a

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clean neighborhood, which is now...

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I just went back last month and it's
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city, I'm heartbroken.

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[...] you said...

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Now, as I take it, you've never been a starving

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actor. You never went through that.

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Well, the thing is that I went to Repertory,
I got my master's at Yale, and I

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went right into the company at Yale.

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I stayed there for a year and a half.
I went into Washington when I was fired

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after three weeks in rehearsal,
from doing the play Moon Children.

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And they gave me the rest
of my pay and sent me home.

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Why did they fire you?

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Because the director didn't like
what I was doing, you know.

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Is he right?

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It's all relative. I believe I could
have played it, right? I mean, it was

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college kids, you know?

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I knew what I was doing to him,
however I didn't. So they sent me on my way.

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And I came back to New York. I couldn't get

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arrested. I did a lot of plays for free.

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But you didn't worry about money.

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Because I got commercials.
I was very lucky and I made commercials.

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But I never, once I left college,

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then I was on my own, you know?

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arrested,
you still had your family writing your own.

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No, no, no. I didn't take any money from them.
I mean, I did it all on my own.

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You mean even when you were starving,
literally without money?

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In New York, yeah. I did not.

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Where did you live in New York?

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I lived, well,
first I lived on the east side on 76th Street.

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But I figured you had to put on too
many clothes to walk out of the house.

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You had to dress up in all your leathers
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Between Madison and...

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Yeah, Madison and Park. One bedroom apartment.

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Why didn't you live at home?

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Oh, no. I mean, after a while,
you cannot live at home anymore.

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I mean, that's just the way it is.

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When I first left Yale,
I tried to live at home for six

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weeks, and it gets a little hairy.

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You know, your parents forget.

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You didn't have enough freedom.

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You didn't have enough freedom.

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Oh, yeah. Well, it's just also this tension.
I mean, a man

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must go on his own after a while.

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So when did you go on your own?
What age were you?

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I guess when I went to college, you know?

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No, but I mean, when you went to college, you

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did repertoire. You came back to New York.

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Right.

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What age were you? Now you're on your own now.

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Yes, that was 1970. So that was five years ago.
So that was 25, 24.

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Yeah. I finally got my own apartment.

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Then I went down to Thompson Street in
the village, and then I moved to 72nd and

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West End,
where I just gave up the apartment a month ago.

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You don't have it anymore?

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So when I was going to go back to New York?

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Now I will have to stay at a friend's house.
I cannot stay at home.

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Well, I mean,
you're still very friendly at home.

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Oh, yes, yes.
I have a wonderful sister, three fabulous

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nieces, a great brother-in-law. Sure.

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Is your sister in showbiz?

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No, nobody is but me.
My sister is just one of my best

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fans. You know, she's incredible.

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And when you went to Yale originally?

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Yes.

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You went there to major in drama?

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Yes, I went and I took a master's in theater.
Yes.

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Well, you've always been interested in that.

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Since I was seven, I used to say that,
well, you know, it's sloppy to say, but if

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people were born to do things,
I was born to be an actor.

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And last year, Cindy Williams gave me
my astrological chart for my birthday.

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[...]

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And, excuse me, the guy that read it for
me said you were born to be an actor,

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because all of the things
go to the actor's house.

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Well, you don't believe in astrology, do you?

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No, but I won't deny it either,
because I love, I just love

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the potential of all that stuff.

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They say if you have a lot of lines in

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your hand, it's not your first time around.

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And the ramifications of that logic
fascinate me. I mean, I just get crazy.

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Do you have your chart made and all?

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I had it made, but I didn't go out and do it.

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You know, I had someone,
Cindy gave it to me for my

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birthday. She had it done for me.

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And what does it say now for your future?

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That all of everything that I have
worked for will come to me, you know.

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But I guess they say that to everybody.

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You figure you've paid your dues already,
is that it?

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Well, that's not true,
because it's not a matter

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of having paid my dues, it's a matter of
I look at acting like a brain surgeon.

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Finally, when you're 55,
you get it all together.

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I mean, I have a lot to learn.

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In the movie, Catherine, that I made,
I believe I grew up as an actor.

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Everything that I had learned up until 1970,
I trained for about nine

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years, came together.

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Somehow I understood what I had
learned five years ago finally.

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And now I have to move from there, you know.
There are still problems

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that I have to overcome.

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How many movies have you made?

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I have made feature films,
I have made two feature films,

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and I have made one TV film.

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What's a flat person?

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Crazy Joe with Peter Boyle.
I played his bodyguard, a mafioso bodyguard.

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And you've played one TV?

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Which was Catherine, yes,
which won't be a foreign release too.

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And you don't mind doing
those TV films from now on?

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No, no, no.
Well, the thing is that I waited for

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seven months before I picked Catherine.

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I was offered five or six scripts.

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And the way I pick material is if it sits
right, if it is comfortable, if I can

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totally commit myself to the material,
I will do it.

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And if I cannot,
I struggle and I try to make filet of soul

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out of tuna fish, you know.

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And then I finally...

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When you say you look at the role,
it has to fit you.

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Not necessarily.

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See, then I don't have words for it
anymore because I just know instinctually

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that this is what I have to do next.

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And I swear to you,
it is just a feeling that I have.

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I know when I read it whether I
can totally commit myself or not.

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Well, now in the old days,
when you worked for a

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studio, they would give you a role, right?

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An actor was committed.

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Yes. So far,
I have not had to go through that at all.

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I have been the master of my own fate.

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There was a role that I was up for and
15 minutes before I went in to do it, to

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meet the director and everything else was put,
you know, I called my agent.

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I said, please call him and say I can't do it,
you know.

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But now what would have happened in the
old days if you would have said, well,

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you're playing a murderer or play a...

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Oh, I would play any character.
It is how it is written.

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It is in the whole scope of the piece
and how it relates to how the whole

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piece is, the taste of the piece.

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So what you're really doing is
what Paul Newman is doing today. I

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mean, he's picking and choosing his role.

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Well, so far, I'm lucky enough
to be able to do that, you know.

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And you have been doing this right along?

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All the time, yes. I haven't done

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anything that I have not
been comfortable doing.

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Well, I'm still interested how you made
a living in those days when you said

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that you couldn't get a real...

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All right.
When I made a living by doing commercials.

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What commercials?

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I did about 30 commercials.
I did close-up toothpaste. I got caught

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in a girl's scarf in a movie theater.

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I did American Airlines.
I did traveler's insurance. I did chick

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single-injected razor blades.

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Those you could be comfortable with,
commercials.

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Well, the thing is that there,
that was another story. Now, commercials is a

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means to an end, you know.

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I learned how to work in front of a camera. I

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did them as if I were going to do check-offs.

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I took them very seriously because it was
bullshit to me. In New York, all the...

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Some actors would say, well,
you know, it goes against my grain.

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I mean, I couldn't do there aesthetically, not

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pleasing.
How do you get them? How do you get them?

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You know, and I just...
It's pragmatic to do commercials. They

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were very good to me. They were necessary.

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What you're doing, Leo?

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Well, now is a different story
because I have been offered lots and

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lots of money to do them now.

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And thank God I don't have to do them.
But if the time ever came, I would do

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them again. Yes. Yeah.

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He's a wild, wonderful, creative actor.
Oh, you're taping him?

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Oh, I didn't.

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He's...
I've worked with a lot of actors, as you know.

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And, you know, they're very creative,
quiet actors like Dick Van Dyke in

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comedy, which I directed for like five years.

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And then they're very...
And then there's the very outgoing, noisy

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Tony Randall types that are also creative.

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And I put Henry in a kind of in the
middle bag and get cerebral about things.

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But there's a magic that happens to him.

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He's very creative. And then when an
audience comes in, he really plays out.

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He really knows the awareness of
an audience that Dick and Tony

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Randall and Jack Klugman have, too.

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He's tremendously professional
because I think it's

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stage training, you know, in college.

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I don't know how many places that...
I know that there's a great stage presence.

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Where Ronnie Howard has it,
too, but he had no stage.

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He really just kind of opened himself
up and trusted me as a director,

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Ronnie. But Henry already had that.

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The thing that Henry is good at is
when you tell him something is wrong

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or doesn't work, he listens.

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He really listens and goes. And if you
explain it in a proper way, he'll buy it.

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If you don't, he'll test you all the time.
He'll test you.

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But you have to have an answer
as a director to why this

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doesn't work and this does work.

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I mean, he'll actually question...

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Oh, yes. He'll say, well, tell me why.
Where a lot of directors

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will just accept it because of their fear.

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He wants to know why so that he knows why
it doesn't work so he can use it later,

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too, which is terribly important.

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He's just a superhuman being
to work with and a very, very

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creative and sensitive guy.

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Well, now you say you work with Dick Van Dyke.
He went on, but he didn't become

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really the big movie star
he thought he would be.

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What the leading man is accepted today,
A-La Dustin Hoffman, Al Pacino.

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There's that look about Fonzie that has it,
whereas Dick went into the musicals

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and the light things and the superficial
things and they were on their way out.

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And then when Dick, who had the dramatic,
tried to do it, it was too late until

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00:22:52,001 --> 00:22:56,001
he finally did a two hour, hour and a half
movie of the week about an alcoholic.

467
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,001
But Dick should have done
much more of that earlier.

468
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,000
I think Henry is a very fine actor.

469
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:10,000
I find just watching these things that
it seems back in that era, I'm wondering

470
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,000
how the kids identify with these kids.

471
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:17,000
Well, that's interesting because first of all,
the 50s was an easier time.

472
00:23:17,001 --> 00:23:19,001
So the kids, first of all, liked the music

473
00:23:19,001 --> 00:23:21,001
because they were lamenting love songs.

474
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,000
They weren't such a hard acid
rock that blew your decibels out.

475
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,000
The kids liked the fact that they
get to see their parents' history.

476
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,001
And the parents like to see it because
they remember if we don't have exactly the

477
00:23:33,001 --> 00:23:35,000
details, they put in the details.

478
00:23:35,001 --> 00:23:36,000
They like to remember.

479
00:23:37,001 --> 00:23:41,000
Also, it is a hassle-free half hour of comedy.

480
00:23:41,001 --> 00:23:43,001
Do you think the high school
kids identify with this?

481
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:49,001
Yes, I think they do.
A lot of them want to be in the 50s.

482
00:23:49,001 --> 00:23:52,000
A lot of them are saying,
I'm really sorry I was not born during

483
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,001
that time because it looks like a lot of fun.

484
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,001
Meanwhile, we have a sexually permissive thing.

485
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:03,000
For instance, this thing seems very long
since he doesn't know what he's doing.

486
00:24:03,001 --> 00:24:07,001
It doesn't seem that there's a guy
alive that would act like Ron today.

487
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,000
Well, but there are.
There are a lot of kids around this country.

488
00:24:12,001 --> 00:24:18,000
There was an article in a show, as a matter
of fact, where I almost got married.

489
00:24:18,001 --> 00:24:22,001
One of the prerequisites for finding a
wife was that she was a virgin, which was

490
00:24:22,001 --> 00:24:24,000
a big thing in the 50s.

491
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,000
A lot of women wrote me and told
me they are virgins even today.

492
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:34,000
They wrote me and said, well,
I'm a virgin, so am I in the running?

493
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,001
Yes, in a way that is funny that they
should write and say those things.

494
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:46,000
In the other way,
it is interesting because there are

495
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,000
people who carry themselves that way.

496
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,001
You get a lot of mail.

497
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,000
I get a lot of mail.

498
00:24:51,001 --> 00:24:51,001
What are you doing?

499
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,000
I read every letter that I receive.

500
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,001
First of all,
it's interesting to me because if I was not an

501
00:24:57,001 --> 00:24:59,000
actor, I would be a child psychologist.

502
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,001
So I am interested in the way of human nature.

503
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,001
I am interested in what
makes us the way we are,

504
00:25:07,001 --> 00:25:09,000
why we live in this human condition.

505
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,001
And so I am privy to very personal information.

506
00:25:17,001 --> 00:25:21,001
One woman wrote about 95 letters.

507
00:25:21,001 --> 00:25:24,000
One woman alone wrote 95 letters.

508
00:25:25,001 --> 00:25:29,001
She had not written for a month and she
wrote me a letter, included a letter from

509
00:25:29,001 --> 00:25:34,000
her mother, in which her mother told her
that she was dying and said, I'm sorry,

510
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,001
I didn't write, but here is the
reason so that you'll understand.

511
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,001
So I am privy to the most personal information.

512
00:25:40,001 --> 00:25:47,001
Now, what I have done is I have written
up a fact sheet and I have a picture that

513
00:25:47,001 --> 00:25:52,000
I have assigned the back of,
because I have received 80,000, 90,000 letters.

514
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,001
It's impossible for me to
write back to everybody.

515
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,001
There have been cases where I have written
back about, personally, about 300 to

516
00:25:59,001 --> 00:26:03,001
400 letters in the two years, when I read
something that absolutely captures my

517
00:26:03,001 --> 00:26:07,000
imagination and I have taken an old
piece of script and I have written

518
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,001
with Fonzie lines on it.

519
00:26:08,001 --> 00:26:11,000
And I have written them a one-page letter back,
you know?

520
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:18,001
[...] do see it in one way, you seem very
intelligent and almost introspective.

521
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,001
But when you are away from me,
you start acting.

522
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,001
Well, because my job as an actor
is to create another life force,

523
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,001
my life force is Fonzie.

524
00:26:27,001 --> 00:26:31,000
When I am there, my brain is split.

525
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,001
I mean, now I am thinking I am
going to do a show for 300 people,

526
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:35,001
30 million people will see it.

527
00:26:35,001 --> 00:26:38,000
And so my concentration is split.

528
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:43,001
Half of me is still with Fonzie Jive and
the other is talking to you, trying to

529
00:26:43,001 --> 00:26:48,001
give you the most Henry I can,
so when you go away, you

530
00:26:48,001 --> 00:26:50,000
have a representation of who I am.

531
00:26:50,001 --> 00:26:51,001
How do you see this stuff?

532
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,001
That's a good question. I don't know.

533
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,001
I know what I would like to be.
I know where I would like to be.

534
00:26:59,001 --> 00:27:03,000
I would like to be in a place where I take
full responsibility for my own action,

535
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,000
where I never have to be
defensive a moment in my life.

536
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,000
You know, I never have to defend myself.
I am what I am. I am not there yet.

537
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:18,000
I would like to be successful as a husband,
a father, as well as a professional.

538
00:27:18,001 --> 00:27:21,000
And I know that I can link the two together.

539
00:27:21,001 --> 00:27:24,001
I know that there is a way
to complete the full circle.

540
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:30,001
You do not have to become very famous
and lose all perspective on living.

541
00:27:30,001 --> 00:27:36,000
I am convinced that there is a higher
consciousness and I don't mean to be

542
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,001
sloppy or to be mystical.

543
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,001
I just know that there is a higher way to live.

544
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,000
Are you very religious?

545
00:27:44,001 --> 00:27:48,000
I am not religious, but I am very
proud of my religion. I am very proud

546
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,001
of the heritage of my religion.

547
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,001
I am very proud of the history.
I am very proud to be a Jew.

548
00:27:55,001 --> 00:27:58,000
But when you said you are
aware of a higher country, you

549
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,001
talk about God? You believe in God?

550
00:27:59,001 --> 00:28:04,001
I don't know if I mean God.
What I mean, what I am talking about is just

551
00:28:04,001 --> 00:28:07,000
a way to live.

552
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,000
I have a theory,
I don't know if it is true, that

553
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,001
God is actually the subconscious.

554
00:28:14,001 --> 00:28:19,000
You know,
that the greatest fear man has is the unknown.

555
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,001
God is unknown and so is the subconscious.
So the two are linked together.

556
00:28:23,001 --> 00:28:30,000
That when you actualize,
when you totally actualize yourself, you can,

557
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,001
when you meet your potential,
which I don't think a man can do in

558
00:28:34,001 --> 00:28:36,000
his lifetime, you will meet God.

559
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,001
They say that if you see God
with your own eyes, you will

560
00:28:38,001 --> 00:28:40,000
disintegrate. You will burn up.

561
00:28:40,001 --> 00:28:46,000
And I think that if we met 100% of ourselves,
the energy, the electricity running

562
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,001
through our body would fizzle us out.

563
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,001
As a youngster, you had everything.
Something on the west side.

564
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:04,000
Well, I came from a very strict home.
I was not allowed to date for six weeks at

565
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:09,000
a time or months at a time because I
was not a very good student and all my

566
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:14,000
parents wanted was that I got A's and
went to a, you know, and did well.

567
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:18,001
So I came, I had to fight my way through.
My parents

568
00:29:18,001 --> 00:29:20,000
did not want me to be an actor.

569
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,001
They were not thrilled to death at
all until I became successful and now

570
00:29:23,001 --> 00:29:25,000
they run out of pictures, you know.

571
00:29:25,001 --> 00:29:28,001
I mean, we used to have breakfast.
I would have breakfast in the morning. I'd

572
00:29:28,001 --> 00:29:31,000
have some eggs, tomato juice,
a little guilt, you know.

573
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,000
But I mean, as a kid, you had everything
you wanted in the way of material.

574
00:29:35,001 --> 00:29:39,000
Well, not really there either.
I mean, I was, I had a good life,

575
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,000
but we were never spoiled.

576
00:29:41,001 --> 00:29:46,000
I was spoiled more in traveling,
which I believe is a Renaissance education. I

577
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,001
mean, I would like to do that with the
money that I make when I have a family.

578
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,001
I mean, I've been with the news for 29

579
00:29:52,001 --> 00:29:54,001
years, you know, and I've seen a lot of this.

580
00:29:57,001 --> 00:30:04,001
I noticed that you seem to ad-lib
several of the things. Do you feel

581
00:30:04,001 --> 00:30:07,001
free to tend to go away from this reality?

582
00:30:07,001 --> 00:30:13,001
Well, in the structure comes the freedom.
And then when it seems right,

583
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:20,000
I'll ad-lib, but I will never ad-lib
just ad-infinite him, you know.

584
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,000
I mean, I have, they tell me what to do.

585
00:30:22,001 --> 00:30:24,000
You'll take liberties with the line, then.

586
00:30:24,001 --> 00:30:27,000
Oh, yeah, bring my own life to it.
Otherwise, the character

587
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,001
will remain flat. Sure.

588
00:30:28,001 --> 00:30:30,001
Do the other characters do that also?

589
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,001
It's relative to the actor.

590
00:30:33,001 --> 00:30:35,000
Each one does what he plays them.

591
00:30:36,001 --> 00:30:40,001
Well, I have to say that I don't do
what I please, but so far I have been

592
00:30:40,001 --> 00:30:43,000
successful. I will ad-lib and hopefully

593
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,000
within the character, within the structure.

594
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,001
Right. For instance, tonight you won't

595
00:30:49,001 --> 00:30:51,001
do anything different that you didn't address.

596
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,000
No, just the energy and maybe the
attitude will be a little different.

597
00:30:55,001 --> 00:30:57,001
Or I'll come up with something
right at the moment.

598
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,000
And it will be inspiration. I won't know
what happened, and I'll just do it.

599
00:31:01,001 --> 00:31:02,001
With the line?

600
00:31:02,001 --> 00:31:04,001
With the line, or with the look,
or with the sound.

601
00:31:06,001 --> 00:31:07,000
How tall are you?

602
00:31:07,001 --> 00:31:08,001
Five, six and a half.

603
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:09,001
How much do you weigh?

604
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,001
Oh, about 138 pounds.

605
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,000
I need everything, actually.
You don't care about weight.

606
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,000
I do. I have to watch it because
you look ten pounds heavier.

607
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,000
And so, I mean, I do a lot of exercise.
You know, I'm the pitcher for

608
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,000
the happy days team, for the ball team.

609
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,000
And you really,
you try to keep as lean as that?

610
00:31:26,001 --> 00:31:30,000
Oh, yeah. I also feel more agile when I'm lean.

611
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,001
Well, I see you're eating potatoes and,
I don't know, deep bread.

612
00:31:33,001 --> 00:31:36,001
Yeah, but I mean,
I watch what I eat during the day, too.

613
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,001
And this gives me energy for performance night.

614
00:31:41,001 --> 00:31:48,001
One of the kids in the audience
asked the writer, do you

615
00:31:48,001 --> 00:31:50,001
ride a motorcycle in real life?

616
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,001
Do you have a lot of you telling me how to car?

617
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,000
No, I have a car, but I don't have a
motorcycle. I don't like motorcycles.

618
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,001
I've seen too many people
get smashed to bits on

619
00:32:00,001 --> 00:32:02,000
motorcycles. I think they're very dangerous.

620
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,001
For people who do love motorcycles,
may they live in hell.

621
00:32:07,001 --> 00:32:09,000
How do you, what do you do to relax?

622
00:32:11,001 --> 00:32:11,001
Well...

623
00:32:11,001 --> 00:32:15,000
You get away from it.
It's the weekend. The play ball.

624
00:32:15,001 --> 00:32:18,000
I'm trying to teach myself to relax.

625
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:25,001
For the past 29 and 5, 6 years,
I have not relaxed. I don't relax.

626
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,000
I haven't taken a vacation in 7 years.
I work around the calendar.

627
00:32:29,001 --> 00:32:34,000
That's my craziness, you know,
because you get better at working a lot, and

628
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,001
also you think that you'll never work again.

629
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:42,001
But to relax, I love to horseback ride.
And I love to take long drives

630
00:32:42,001 --> 00:32:45,000
some place with a friend, you know.

631
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,000
You watch a lot of television?

632
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,000
No, not anymore.

633
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:51,001
You read?

634
00:32:52,001 --> 00:32:53,001
I love to read, yeah.

635
00:32:53,001 --> 00:32:55,000
What was the last book you wrote?

636
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,001
I'm reading Hollywood by Garson Canaan,
and then right after that, Ragtime.

637
00:33:07,001 --> 00:33:11,000
Who were some of your
classmates in the driving?

638
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:17,001
Jimmy Norton, who was on Faraday &
Company, and also in Planet of the Apes.

639
00:33:18,001 --> 00:33:23,001
David Aykroyd, who was one of the stars
of a wonderful soap opera in New York.

640
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,001
Jill Eichenberry, who now does Broadway.
She was just in the Dustin

641
00:33:30,001 --> 00:33:32,000
Huffman play, got very good reviews.

642
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,001
Well,
it looks like you've traveled the furthest now.

643
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:36,001
So far.

644
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,001
But they're all good working actors, you know.

645
00:33:41,001 --> 00:33:47,000
How about clothes? Are you a conservative
wrestler? Do you care for, whether you

646
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,001
go for sport, jeans, what's your place?

647
00:33:49,001 --> 00:33:55,000
I like to mix styles.
I like to have a velvet jacket

648
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,001
on top and jeans on the bottom.

649
00:33:57,001 --> 00:33:57,001
Good deal.

650
00:33:59,001 --> 00:34:01,000
Do you hit any other places here on the script?

651
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,001
No, I don't drink any liquor.

652
00:34:04,001 --> 00:34:07,001
So I don't go to any bars.
I've never been to bars in my life.

653
00:34:07,001 --> 00:34:11,001
Sometimes I will go to a bar that
is also a restaurant with friends.

654
00:34:12,001 --> 00:34:15,000
But I spend a lot of time by myself.

655
00:34:17,001 --> 00:34:22,001
Because so much has happened to me in
such a short time that I need my privacy

656
00:34:22,001 --> 00:34:24,000
just to keep it all in proportion.

657
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,001
So I spend a lot of time just by myself.

658
00:34:26,001 --> 00:34:27,000
You do?

659
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,000
I love my records, my music.

660
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:31,001
Serious classical?

661
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,001
I listen to classical.
I love opera very much. And I listen to rock.

662
00:34:37,001 --> 00:34:38,000
Who do you like in rock?

663
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:46,000
In rock. I like Rod Stewart.
I like The Bad Company.

664
00:34:47,001 --> 00:34:51,001
I like Dave Loggins.
You know, people like that.

665
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,000
You smoke a lot.

666
00:34:54,001 --> 00:34:55,001
I smoke a lot of cigarettes, yeah.

667
00:34:56,001 --> 00:34:57,001
A couple of packs?

668
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:58,001
Two packs a day.

669
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,001
You're not supposed to smoke on the show?

670
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,001
No, I made sure that he doesn't smoke.

671
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,001
Do you feel that's a strain?

672
00:35:06,001 --> 00:35:09,001
No. Because when I'm concentrating, I don't

673
00:35:09,001 --> 00:35:11,001
ever think about cigarettes when I'm working.

674
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:24,000
I heard you mentioned to

675
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,001
the girl something about Las Vegas.
Do you get out to the Vegas one?

676
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,000
Oh, I was there once in my
life for a day and a half

677
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,000
because I've never seen it
and I wanted to see it.

678
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,001
I went with Donnie Moase to play Ralph Mouse.

679
00:35:36,001 --> 00:35:39,000
And we took some dates and everything.

680
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:45,001
And I put, when I first got there,
my executive producer, Tom Miller, gave me $5.

681
00:35:46,001 --> 00:35:50,001
I put a silver dollar in,
pulled a slot, got $40 back.

682
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,001
I put another silver down the window,
pulled a slot, got $15 back.

683
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,001
I put $2 on any craps, I got $28.

684
00:35:57,001 --> 00:36:00,001
Did it again, got $28. And then I lost $300.

685
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,001
You didn't gamble before?

686
00:36:04,001 --> 00:36:07,000
I don't gamble because my
whole life is a gamble.

687
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,000
I've never gambled in my life.

688
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,000
Twice I went to the racetrack
and I bet no more than

689
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,001
$10 just to see what that was like.

690
00:36:16,001 --> 00:36:20,000
And in cards I have lost maybe $10 in my life.

691
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,000
Well, it's your whole life at gamble.
It seems to me it's a pretty...

692
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,001
I mean, you started out pretty well in life.
You got a good background.

693
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,000
Yeah,
but I never know if it's going to continue.

694
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:35,001
I mean, America doesn't have no royalty,
so they make the stars royalty.

695
00:36:36,001 --> 00:36:39,000
So right now I'm sitting on a throne.
I don't know

696
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,000
how quickly I will be dethroned.

697
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,001
I don't take it for granted
that I'm there to stay.

698
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,001
Sure. Craziness.

699
00:36:50,001 --> 00:36:53,001
Do you have a steady girl
or are you a friend about

700
00:36:53,001 --> 00:36:55,000
marriage that you wanted to marry?

701
00:36:55,000 --> 00:37:00,001
At this moment I don't know.
It would be unfair for me to have a steady girl

702
00:37:00,001 --> 00:37:03,000
because I'm not ready yet to
take that responsibility.

703
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,000
But I go out with wonderful ladies.
I know wonderful ladies.

704
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,000
You do want to get married.

705
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,000
Yeah, I do.

706
00:37:10,001 --> 00:37:15,001
I think there is a great strength in a team.

707
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:21,001
I think there's great strength
in another person, you know?

708
00:37:21,001 --> 00:37:26,000
And as long as the relationship comes
out of wanting to be there rather than

709
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,000
needing to be there.

710
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,001
I believe that's a very important distinction.

711
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,000
You know, because selfishness
then becomes selfless, you know?

712
00:37:37,001 --> 00:37:40,001
If you do something that you want to do,
then you don't demand anything back.

713
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:48,000
And therefore there is no clinging.
You know, you live and you grow and

714
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,000
you share,
rather than sucking the other person dry.

715
00:37:54,001 --> 00:37:58,000
I mean, I've seen people just kind of
put straws in somebody else's brain and

716
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,000
suck their personality right
out in order to survive.

717
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,001
I think that if you're going to be together
with someone, you are together with

718
00:38:05,001 --> 00:38:11,000
them as a separate unit and then you make
another unit out of those two units.

719
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,000
You know?

720
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:20,000
Gary was telling me that both of the
audiences between 18 and 35. 49, yeah.

721
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:28,000
And I still come back to that thing about,
I'm trying to visualize 18, 19, 20

722
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,001
year olds watching this show,
smoking pot drinking or something.

723
00:38:32,001 --> 00:38:36,001
Oh, they love it. They love it.
I mean, there are ball fields now that have

724
00:38:36,001 --> 00:38:39,000
changed their names to Fonzie Field at college.

725
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,000
Entire sororities and
fraternities have written me.

726
00:38:42,001 --> 00:38:43,001
There's been a great group put on.
There's a put on

727
00:38:43,001 --> 00:38:45,001
camp for making something like that.

728
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,000
Yeah, but it's still that they took the
energy to do it. Whether they're putting

729
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,001
it on or not,
they chose this energy to name it.

730
00:38:53,001 --> 00:38:58,001
Sure. People have named their dogs, cats,
fish, mice, whatever it is, Fonzie.

731
00:38:59,001 --> 00:39:03,000
Pregnant women come up to me when we're
on the road and ask me to touch their

732
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,001
bellies. You know?

733
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,000
I mean, it is incredible.

734
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,001
How do you regard all this?

735
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:13,001
Sometimes, well, it's interesting.
I regard it two different ways.

736
00:39:14,001 --> 00:39:20,001
When I first get to a place and I am
standing in front of these people, my ego is

737
00:39:20,001 --> 00:39:22,000
zetched. There's no doubt about it.

738
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,001
I mean, my battery is juiced.

739
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,000
And then I sit down at the desk in
which I'm going to sign the autographs.

740
00:39:28,001 --> 00:39:32,001
And I sit back objectively and watch
each human being as they come by.

741
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,001
It is pragmatic that these
people like me so much.

742
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,001
Also, at the bottom of my fact sheet,
it says anything I'm able to create is

743
00:39:42,001 --> 00:39:44,001
relative. If it's not seen, it does not exist.

744
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,000
So from the bottom of my heart, I thank
you for watching because it is a two-way

745
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,001
street. Do you know?

746
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,001
I cannot act for or by myself. You know?

747
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:59,001
The other side is that it's out of proportion.
I

748
00:39:59,001 --> 00:40:01,000
mean,
it's screaming and yelling and it's only me.

749
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,000
You know? It's just, hello, my name is Henry.
Let's get it together here, kids.

750
00:40:06,001 --> 00:40:10,000
But it's a lot of fun. I mean, in Baltimore,
I was blown by a woman who used hot

751
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,001
water. Let me tell you, that is incredible.

752
00:40:13,001 --> 00:40:16,001
She blew me and she used hot water. You know?

753
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,000
Well, warm water anyway.
Yeah, she had warm water in her

754
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,000
mouth. And, oh, it was terrific.

755
00:40:23,001 --> 00:40:26,000
I mean, there was, I'm not kidding, man.
That was great.

756
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,000
You know, those are the side benefits
that are just, you know, just incredible.

757
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,000
I mean,
I have to get that out of my system now,

758
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,000
too, because it'll be a drag when I'm married.

759
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,001
You know,
I certainly can't carry on like that because...

760
00:40:41,001 --> 00:40:43,001
Can you, wherever you go, now you're ready.

761
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,001
Oh, yeah. By every age. I mean,

762
00:40:46,001 --> 00:40:48,001
grandmothers stand online for
two hours to get my water.

763
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,001
And I could have a beard and
a mustache and they stop me.

764
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,001
When you went into this show, you had no idea.

765
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,000
No, no. Do you know what happened?
When I went into this

766
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,000
show, three things,
four things went through my mind.

767
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,001
One, I wasn't going to worry
whether the series sold or not.

768
00:41:07,001 --> 00:41:09,001
Because I couldn't get into that craziness of

769
00:41:09,001 --> 00:41:11,000
sitting around, oh, what are the numbers?
What are the ratings?

770
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,001
Oh, how are we doing?
Are we beating out people?

771
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,000
I wanted to know because, you know,
you have your own self-image just because

772
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,001
they, what's happened now.

773
00:41:19,001 --> 00:41:23,000
I mean, when I came into the show,
I used to fantasize,

774
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,001
am I ever going to get any fan mail?

775
00:41:25,001 --> 00:41:29,001
Because when people out here are six,
seven and cut and blond and big

776
00:41:29,001 --> 00:41:31,000
and great and tough and good.

777
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,001
And are women going to find me attractive?

778
00:41:35,001 --> 00:41:38,001
So then I got a lot of fan mail.
So that was all right.

779
00:41:39,001 --> 00:41:42,000
But I had no idea that this was
going to happen. I had no idea.

780
00:41:42,001 --> 00:41:46,000
I mean, you saw this as a stepping stone
to other things. You're going to do a

781
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,001
little...

782
00:41:49,001 --> 00:41:54,000
And now that I'm getting into the
driver's seat, you know, you're

783
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,001
given a lot of power on television.

784
00:41:56,001 --> 00:42:00,000
And so you don't abuse that power.
And now that I have that power,

785
00:42:00,001 --> 00:42:02,001
I have to decide what I want.

786
00:42:02,001 --> 00:42:05,001
And what I would like to do is the next
frontier is films to see if I can fill

787
00:42:05,001 --> 00:42:09,001
the big screen and whether that
is whether I can make it there.

788
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,001
You are given scripts now all the time.

789
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,000
Not all the time.

790
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,000
No, I mean movie scripts.

791
00:42:16,001 --> 00:42:17,001
Not all the time.

792
00:42:17,001 --> 00:42:18,001
But you are given scripts.

793
00:42:18,001 --> 00:42:19,001
I'm given scripts now.

794
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,001
And they know about your hiatus, which is what?

795
00:42:22,001 --> 00:42:23,000
Starts December.

796
00:42:23,001 --> 00:42:24,001
And some of you all wind up there?

797
00:42:25,001 --> 00:42:28,000
And you don't start shooting
again until May or in a platform?

798
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:28,001
Yeah.

799
00:42:29,001 --> 00:42:31,001
So you could make a major film very loose.

800
00:42:31,001 --> 00:42:32,000
Oh, yeah.

801
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:33,000
And you intend to.

802
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,001
Yeah, sure. I mean, like...

803
00:42:35,001 --> 00:42:38,000
See, every year I plan another vacation.
One year I plan...

804
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,000
I got all the pamphlets on Greece and one year

805
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,001
on Norway because I wanted to see a fjord.

806
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,000
And what happens now?
I will not leave Hollywood

807
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,000
until I can do a major motion picture.

808
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,001
See, last year I didn't leave Hollywood
until I made at least a TV movie.

809
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,000
Which I did, Catherine,
which I'm very proud of.

810
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,001
It took a long time for them to release,
I think.

811
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,000
Well,
we made it in June and it came on in October.

812
00:42:56,001 --> 00:42:56,001
[...]

813
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:04,000
But in looking for a film,
you make certain to avoid any

814
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,001
similarity toward this role, right?

815
00:43:05,001 --> 00:43:06,000
[...]

816
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:14,000
And unless the film and the character
are way above this, I mean,

817
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,001
I might play a...

818
00:43:15,001 --> 00:43:16,001
Young Tuff.

819
00:43:16,001 --> 00:43:19,000
A young Tuff, if he's different from Fonzie.

820
00:43:19,001 --> 00:43:25,001
There's a film I have in my mind called
Hell's Kitchen, which is a subterranean

821
00:43:25,001 --> 00:43:29,000
view of club fighting in 1946
in Hell's Kitchen in New York.

822
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,000
And I would play a gimmick man,
one of the three

823
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,000
brothers, one of three brothers, a gimmick man.

824
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:38,000
And I would play him and he would
have the same talk as Fonzie.

825
00:43:40,001 --> 00:43:43,001
But you're looking actually for a
film that would give you a close

826
00:43:43,001 --> 00:43:45,000
story or pretty close to a lead.

827
00:43:45,001 --> 00:43:45,001
Yeah.

828
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,000
Because you've never had that.

829
00:43:48,001 --> 00:43:50,000
Well, in The Lords of Flatbush, but they cut

830
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,001
me out of the film and I
wasn't really proud of that.

831
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:53,001
Yeah.

832
00:43:53,001 --> 00:43:56,000
So you're looking for something
more with a picture up front.

833
00:43:56,001 --> 00:43:56,001
Yeah, right.

834
00:43:57,001 --> 00:43:59,000
And as you say, you were...

835
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,001
But I would also do, I mean,
like on the Rota and the Paul

836
00:44:01,001 --> 00:44:03,001
Sands show, I did like one little scene.

837
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,001
You know, if it's strong and it is
indigenous to the script, I would do it too.

838
00:44:08,001 --> 00:44:09,001
I mean, guests starring on TV.

839
00:44:09,001 --> 00:44:12,000
Sure. No, no, no.
Guests doing a smaller role in films.

840
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:12,001
Oh, you would?

841
00:44:12,001 --> 00:44:15,000
In a good film.
I was asked, I'm very proud of this.

842
00:44:15,001 --> 00:44:22,000
In the Warner Brothers film of all
the president's men, I was offered

843
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,000
to play the role of Donald Segretti.

844
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,001
I would have done it like that.
It was only two day shooting.

845
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:27,001
Yeah. A prestige film.

846
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,000
Not only a prestige film,
but a good scene and working with good people.

847
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:32,001
And what kind of film?

848
00:44:32,001 --> 00:44:36,000
Well, I couldn't do it because we were here.
They couldn't wait for me to finish.

849
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,001
Have you found that to be the
case now in a lot of instances?

850
00:44:40,001 --> 00:44:41,001
No, just that one.

851
00:44:42,001 --> 00:44:43,000
Just that one.

852
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:45,000
Yeah.

853
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,001
But hopefully now, Catherine,
I got good response from

854
00:44:48,001 --> 00:44:50,000
Catherine.
I got wonderful letters from Catherine.

855
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,000
So you got good reviews.

856
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,000
Different producers.
The response was better than the reviews.

857
00:44:54,001 --> 00:44:56,000
In other words,
they were surprised that you're ringing.

858
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,000
Was that...

859
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,001
Some people were surprised. Other people

860
00:44:59,001 --> 00:45:01,001
knew, but didn't know that I could do that.

861
00:45:01,001 --> 00:45:04,000
You know, I mean, they kind of knew,
but they had to be proven.

862
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,001
And I proved it, I hope, because...

863
00:45:08,001 --> 00:45:09,001
In college, did you play classic?

864
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:10,001
Oh, yes.

865
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,001
I played a 16-year-old rapist
in a Cyril Turner's play.

866
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:25,001
Did you play Shakespeare?

867
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,001
Yes. I did Macbeth with Lee Richardson.

868
00:45:29,001 --> 00:45:30,001
What did you play then?

869
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,000
Young Seward.
I played Shakespeare in a Shaw play

870
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,001
called Dark Lady of the Sonnets.

871
00:45:36,001 --> 00:45:39,001
I did Coriolanus, stuff like that.
You're at Yale.

872
00:45:39,001 --> 00:45:45,000
I did it from 1967 to 1973. I did over 60 stage

873
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,000
plays. Over 60. I was trained on the stage.

874
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,001
I believe that's where you learn your
craft and then you apply it to film.

875
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,001
So you must admire people like Pacino?

876
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,000
Oh, I admire Pacino a lot.

877
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:55,001
Did you do it the afternoon?

878
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:56,001
Not yet, no.

879
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,000
I admire Pacino.
I admire Gene Hackman. I admire Albert

880
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,001
Finney, Sir Ralph Richardson.

881
00:46:03,001 --> 00:46:07,001
Yeah. You know, and then of course Brando
and Nicholson and people like that too.

882
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,000
And Alan Alda. I love Alan Alda.

883
00:46:11,001 --> 00:46:14,000
I did Nicholson and he told me
he never would do television.

884
00:46:14,001 --> 00:46:17,001
Yeah. There you go. Probably because he

885
00:46:17,001 --> 00:46:19,000
wouldn't be able to do the
work that he knows how to do.

886
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,000
It's all watered down.

887
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,001
He was starving too. Really starving.

888
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,000
He didn't want to get into that meeting.

889
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,001
But not anymore. He's not starving anymore.

890
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,000
I can't wait to see. I was up in Salem, Oregon.

891
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:31,000
I was going to be in the wonderful [...
] the movie.

892
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,000
Yeah. He must be terrific in that
because Bill Devane, you know, Bill

893
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,000
Devane, Bill Devane is one of my artists.

894
00:46:36,001 --> 00:46:39,001
And he's so good.

895
00:46:39,001 --> 00:46:42,000
I didn't know what to do with him or
Bruce Dern. I just did Bruce Dern.

896
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,000
Bruce Dern is very good too.
I would like to work with Bruce Dern.

897
00:46:44,001 --> 00:46:46,000
Bruce Dern is or was, I don't know.

898
00:46:47,001 --> 00:46:51,001
But he's very available as an actor to
work with. When you see his work, boy, and

899
00:46:51,001 --> 00:46:53,001
you can come up to him,
he's right there with you.

900
00:46:53,001 --> 00:46:57,000
[...] think it was a long time.
Mike Nichols is 39. And

901
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,001
he's still trying to hit it.

902
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,000
Which is, it must be really rough.

903
00:47:03,001 --> 00:47:06,000
With the presidential election coming up,
do you think, I do,

904
00:47:06,001 --> 00:47:08,000
the type that gets involved
and where they claim action?

905
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:13,000
I have to tell you, I don't know because
I am so cynical now about politics that

906
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,000
it doesn't really matter who gets it anymore.

907
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:15,001
But how do you feel?

908
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:20,000
It is almost, I mean, Nolan, it will run,
it is almost as if this country is run

909
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,001
on the basis of an oligarchy
rather than a democracy.

910
00:47:22,001 --> 00:47:25,001
There are few people who make the
decisions and that's it, you know.

911
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,001
There was a fabulous theory that I heard
from one of the translators who was in

912
00:47:28,001 --> 00:47:33,001
Paris during the time that Kissinger
was there for the peace in Vietnam.

913
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,001
Saying that, you know, there is a world
government that allows Kissinger to do

914
00:47:37,001 --> 00:47:40,001
what he does because, you know, I mean,
that one man has so much power.

915
00:47:40,001 --> 00:47:44,001
I consider him to be the Richelieu of the
century. I guess everybody else does.

916
00:47:44,001 --> 00:47:45,001
You're disillusioning with the whole planet.

917
00:47:45,001 --> 00:47:50,000
I'm really, yeah. You know what,
you know what I really liked? I liked that, the

918
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,000
personal touch of Ford's family.

919
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,001
Now, I'm sure that they've all discussed it

920
00:47:54,001 --> 00:47:56,001
with him before they went out and said it.

921
00:47:56,001 --> 00:48:00,001
Now, there are two possibilities.
One, his son before he spoke came out and

922
00:48:00,001 --> 00:48:02,001
talked to his father and his father said,
please don't say

923
00:48:02,001 --> 00:48:04,000
anything because it really is going to hurt me.

924
00:48:04,001 --> 00:48:06,001
And then the son said, well, I've got to do it.
And the second man said, well,

925
00:48:06,001 --> 00:48:08,000
you know, you're right. You're a human
being and you've got to do what you've got

926
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:08,001
to do.

927
00:48:08,001 --> 00:48:12,001
Or the father knew about it and said, well,

928
00:48:12,001 --> 00:48:14,000
you know, it's true.
What you're saying is true.

929
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,001
I probably believe that the one reason
that pot is so it is such a hubbub is

930
00:48:18,001 --> 00:48:21,001
because people don't know
how I feel about that.

931
00:48:21,001 --> 00:48:25,001
There's no hangover with marijuana
that it does not create hostility.

932
00:48:26,001 --> 00:48:31,000
That it is something that is shared.
It is not hoarded like a drink that that

933
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,000
people don't get to stone.

934
00:48:33,001 --> 00:48:36,000
You know, you get to stone on drugs.
I mean, I never I don't even take

935
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,001
aspirin. You don't take whiskey.

936
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,001
I don't drink whiskey. But people always, you

937
00:48:40,001 --> 00:48:42,000
know, with liquor. There is illegal.

938
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,000
I think marijuana should be legal.

939
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:45,001
Excuse me.

940
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,000
But the thing is that with liquor,
you know, you can only get so high and then

941
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,001
it's socially acceptable,
but nobody stays at their limits.

942
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,000
And people get sick and vomit
and so on and so forth.

943
00:48:57,001 --> 00:49:01,000
You know, with marijuana,
it is it is it is a more social thing to do.

944
00:49:01,001 --> 00:49:02,001
You tried it. I tried it. Yes.

945
00:49:04,001 --> 00:49:08,000
When I was there, I came.
I tried it when I was 24 for the first time.

946
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:13,000
And I really disagree with all these
kids who are 13 and 14 who are not only

947
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,000
alcoholics,
but I tried every drug in the book, because at

948
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,001
least you must come to your own consciousness.

949
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,000
At least you must shake hands with yourself

950
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,001
before you rearrange your consciousness.

951
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,000
You know, and it really is a

952
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,000
tragedy to me that these kids
can't see past the nose.

953
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,000
It's not their fault.

954
00:49:28,001 --> 00:49:29,001
Just take those chairs.

955
00:49:32,001 --> 00:49:35,001
You say you have no interest in politics.
Did you vote in 68?

956
00:49:35,001 --> 00:49:37,001
[...] 68, 1968.

957
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,000
What, 72?

958
00:49:39,001 --> 00:49:40,000
Or 72.

959
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:40,001
For the president.

960
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,000
Yeah. I know what you mean.

961
00:49:42,001 --> 00:49:43,001
I know exactly what you mean.

962
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,001
Well, I'll take the bet.

963
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:49,001
Really?

964
00:49:50,001 --> 00:49:51,000
Really.

965
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:52,001
I haven't voted.

966
00:49:52,001 --> 00:49:53,001
About anything. Yeah.

967
00:49:53,001 --> 00:49:53,001
There.

968
00:49:54,000 --> 00:50:00,000
I just think that it is time that and
it is very simple minded, I'm sure.

969
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,000
And I'm sure that other people use the
rhetoric or thought of it themselves.

970
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:07,001
There is no reason in the world that this
country, that there are people at work,

971
00:50:07,001 --> 00:50:09,001
that there are people starving,
and that the young

972
00:50:09,001 --> 00:50:11,000
people walk around bored out of their stuff.

973
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,000
What should be done?

974
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:19,000
I think that the priorities would be
just that the Eastern culture starts

975
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,001
from the inside out when it comes to humanity.

976
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:21,001
We go from the outside in.

977
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,001
I believe in the Western culture,
we are taught not to like ourselves.

978
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,000
We are taught that you own possessions and that

979
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,001
our self-innatures are rancid, effort-picked.

980
00:50:29,001 --> 00:50:30,001
[...]

981
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,001
And all that is left is a
scrambled metal of the vaccine.

982
00:50:33,001 --> 00:50:35,001
See, that's something even
larger than to fill the void.

983
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,000
And I think that the priorities have to
go back to the fact that there are 200

984
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,000
plus million people in this country.

985
00:50:41,001 --> 00:50:44,000
And that is why the government is
for the people and by the people.

986
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,001
And now it's for a few people
getting a lot of money.

987
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,000
There's nobody to vote for.

988
00:50:48,001 --> 00:50:49,001
There is nobody to vote for.

989
00:50:49,001 --> 00:50:51,000
There is nobody to vote for.

990
00:50:52,001 --> 00:50:54,000
Oh, yeah. No, no.
Listen, there's always hope this year.

991
00:50:54,001 --> 00:50:55,000
There's always hope this year.

992
00:50:55,001 --> 00:50:57,000
There's always a glimmer of hope in my eye.

993
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,000
[...] is the first thing I also have to say.

994
00:51:00,001 --> 00:51:02,000
All you have to do is ride with a

995
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,001
cabbie in New York who does
not come from America.

996
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,000
And you absolutely get perspective
for travel outside of America.

997
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,001
And you will realize that you do have
the greatest country, no doubt about it.

998
00:51:09,001 --> 00:51:10,001
It's just a matter of getting very confident.

999
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,001
It's a matter of people
coming to me from the same.

1000
00:51:12,001 --> 00:51:15,000
And I'm so willing to give that
back to the best of my eyes.

1001
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,000
Everybody does all the errors and [...]

1002
00:51:19,001 --> 00:51:20,001
I'm not saying the same thing.

1003
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,000
In fact, I'm not being very sensitive
because there are things that

1004
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,001
I do in my life that I think
are important to my time.

1005
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:53,001
[...] same thing.

1006
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:54,000
I'm not saying the same thing.

1007
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:54,001
I'm not saying the same thing.

1008
00:51:54,001 --> 00:51:55,001
I'm not saying the same thing.

1009
00:51:55,001 --> 00:52:25,000
[...] same thing.

1010
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:40,001
[...] same thing.